Life of Pie
I haven’t written much about Pie but I hope that’s about to change. My fearful little flower is blooming into a real agility dog. The dog Pie wants to be is wild and crazy and a bit on the mouthy side. The dog Pie turns into when she is frightened is anything but that. She is almost 2 years old and recently competed in jumpers’ classes at three USDAA trials. She had 5 out of 6 clean jumpers runs and is one leg away from masters’ jumpers. Her runs at the trials were fast and “on the edge”, nothing less than I would expect from a fast and excitable young border collie. Until a few months ago I did not know if I would be able to compete with her. This is the story of where she’s come from and where we are today in dealing with her fear issues.
Pie came home with me at 8 weeks as a happy-go-lucky young border collie; smart, playful, athletic and fun to train. Her parents are emotionally stable dogs with hugely successful herding careers. She was raised by the breeder in a perfect environment for puppies, but by the time she was 10 weeks old I realized I had a problem. Pie is fearful of moving cars. It started with walking from our house to the agility yard. Pie and I had to walk through the parking area where cars were arriving for classes and she decided she was inconsolably afraid of those moving vehicles.
Within days this transferred to her being worried about walking past our parked cars at the house, which then transferred to her not wanting to put the leash on and even begin the walk to the agility field to play. We have a yard in front of our home where our dogs hang out part of the day. She decided she did not even want to be in that yard because she could see traffic arrive. She would claw the front door in panic to come back indoors as soon as she heard a vehicle. We really don’t have that much traffic, we have only 14 scheduled agility classes per week. We have 15 acres of fenced hills and fields surrounding our home and training field where I exercise my dogs and it did not take long before Pie could identify a car coming down the road from a quarter mile away while we were on our walks. At first she just froze, but then she decided if she was off leash that she could run towards home until she came to the last fence, leaving me and the other dogs out of sight in a far off field.
An individual car was scarier than a busy highway. We live on a quiet country road, one car is obvious. In places where there was a fair amount of traffic she was better than she was in my own front yard. This fear is very similar to the wariness a dog may show when one person approaches directly towards you while walking down a quiet street or across an empty field. One car was suspicious, and hard to miss. A bunch of cars was just noise, just like a group of people will often not worry a dog that is reactive around a single stranger approaching. Her fear is not as simple as that explanation, but it reminds me of other reactive dog behaviors towards a single salient object. Pie is better around a freeway than a country road with cars passing intermittently.
Lucky things about Pie’s fear- It did not carry over to other kinds of noise sensitivity. She doesn’t seem noise sensitive or reactive to other stimulus. She does not care about riding lawn mowers or tractors or all sorts of other machines in and around our home. Her fear is isolated to pretty much one thing. Remarkably Pie is not afraid of riding IN a car; she just could not tolerate watching and hearing one approach. Once a vehicle moves away or is out of ear shot she recovers almost immediately. Her fear reaction is immediate but her recovery is almost as fast.
Training, exercise and socializing my puppy were difficult. During quiet time on the property she did reasonably well playing and training in my back yard, that is until she heard, or thought she heard a car. Her typical behavior was to freeze and lie down at best. At times in the agility yard she would run to the gate to leave, or in my back yard, she would return to the house. The times she had the biggest reactions was when we had a transition between training or play when there was nothing going on between her and I for a moment. When she was really tugging on a toy or doing some kind of high arousal or running activity, she was less likely to think she heard a noise suggesting a car was on approach.
Stay behaviors were especially difficult because while she was on a sit or down stay she had time to think about how she wanted to react to a perceived noise. The noises she would hear were often imperceptible to me. From the agility yard it is a least 400 feet to a quiet road, and the yard is surrounded by tall hedges that obstruct all view of traffic, but still at times she would stop what she was doing, flick her ears back and forth, and wait to discover if the noise she heard meant a car coming up the driveway.
Traveling with Pie was easy once she got into the car or RV. After she got through the door and into her crate she totally relaxed and fell asleep. Getting out of the car was worse, parking lots are full of moving vehicles. Even stationery cars were suspect. Any activity that did not put her in a high arousal state was difficult. She liked going for runs with my family of dogs and her best friends Laura and Brew as long as there was no traffic within view. If she was IN an aroused state she was less likely to notice that a car moved through the vicinity. But she will not take food or play if the moving vehicle was noticed before she was aroused. Trying to actively work on counter conditioning this fear seemed to make things worse. For a long time I would schedule walking her to the field when I knew traffic was coming and attempt to do some targeting, food rewarding or play, but most usually this ended with her wanting to run back to the house. At one point I decided not to take her off the property for about 6 weeks. I gave up on asking her to hang out in the dog yard in front of my home, she stayed in the house with me and went where I went if it was “car-safe”. We did not walk through the parking area when there was any threat of a vehicle arriving for a couple months. For more months we didn’t walk in the fields closest to the road. In other words, I just pretty much avoided most car fear meetings and hence reactions. This may have helped or it may just not have made anything worse.
I consulted with canine behaviorist Daphne Robert Hamilton for ideas on helping Pie get through this fear. She had some great suggestions, like teaching her to target stationary cars. Pie has a “feet” cue. She will put her front feet on any item or wall which I indicate, so I would walk around my cars and RV asking her to put her front feet on the vehicle and then I would mark and reward the behavior. Eventually she could target stationary cars with their motor running. Targeting as well as other ideas of Daphne’s all helped but still we were making only tiny steps of progress. It didn’t get worse, but it also didn’t get remarkably better. And then about 4 months ago we started to take little steps forward that gave me hope she would recover from this fear well enough to at least live a happy life here at our home and in the fields where we exercise and play. I am not willing to risk her life in order to have an agility career with her. If she decided to leave me while doing agility at a trial the possibility exists that she could get lost or run towards a busy road in her effort to get away from a moving vehicle. That’s a risk I am unwilling to take. But today I think a career in agility with Pie is more than just a possibility!
Here are some of the things that I did with her that helped and didn’t help. (I think!)
- Walking her on my country road meeting the occasional car using food to counter condition- too scary, not good
- High level of exposure to individual moving cars-she can’t tolerate that much exposure
- Walking her ON leash in the scary fields- no way for her to retreat, not good
- Trying to use a recall with high level of food reinforcement to me after she saw a scary car- good bye recalls there and everywhere else for a while
- Taking her places to socialize on her own without a stable dog friend as support-really bad
- Trying to distract her using food and toys after she was in a fear scenario- useless at best and possibly counter-productive as when the toys and food appeared she was already frightened. Rewards = fear?
- Doing any kind of control training (stays, positions, static targeting) with her if there was even the slightest chance a car might arrive. If she had a fear moment when she was on a sit stay, she did not want to stay again in that environment for a while. Her ears would flick and she heard all sorts of imaginary cars.
- Trying to train anything when she was having a “moment”.
- Spending hours hiking and playing around fields on dog show weekends that have constant traffic sights and sounds.
- Foot targeting cars.
- Going out for occasional car “experiences”, but not flooding.
- Making her tug toy crazy.
- Making agility crazy fun- The catch 22 is that it’s hard to make agility an “arousal activity” when you can’t train agility.
- I never start training when she is in a fear moment-I always wait for it to pass, but she will train and tug now through a car arriving if I don’t let the arousal end before the car disappears or turns off its engine.
- Comforting her when she is afraid- If we are in the field when a car arrives and she is far away from me, I kneel down and praise her and she runs to me, or if I am next to her I just kneel down and cuddle her. We play the “you are such a brave girl” game. I cover her eyes and whisper right into her ears that she is the bravest girl ever. She can’t see the car, and my silly vocalization helps to distract from the car noise. I think:)
- Ignoring her if she does leave us on a walk, and I just loudly play with the other dogs making her jealous until she returns.
- Sending her to my friend Laura’s home for visits when I am out of town teaching- This really helped. The social experience was good since she missed out on much of that growing up. Laura and her dogs go for a few mile walk daily where they meet cars on a more regular basis than she does on my walks with her and she was with her best friend Brew. I think those visits made a huge difference.
- Letting her grow up and not really trying hard to be perfect in our agility training, but using agility NOW as something that can actually distract her from her fears.
Where we are at now
I can train in the agility field as often and anytime I want, when she is doing agility she never notices the cars that might be out on the far road. She will only stop working if a moving car is close and especially if it is noisy. When the noise is gone she goes right back to work. If she is tugging she is much less likely now to stop, and will tug through a car arriving on the property. It has been a few months since she stopped working/playing when we are in the yard behind my home where she cannot see cars. She is happy being in our front “dog yard” and does not seem to react now when a car is visible. For the last month she has stayed with us in the scary field next to the road on daily walks and I never avoid hiking in that field. If a noisy car comes by, she may move farther away but comes right back. She would rather run to the agility yard than walk, she wants to get past our parked cars as fast as possible, so I let her. If she is on leash we run together. I have given up trying to make her “like” being around cars, but I haven’t stopped rewarding every glimmer of nonchalance and willingness to play around the parking area.
At this time if she continues to progress along this path, and we don’t end up with a scary setback along the way, I am very hopeful for a normal agility career with her. And I hope we will BOTH be brave if we do have a setback. In all of Pies’ runs in agility competition, she has tugged on her leash coming into the ring and all the way to the first jump; exactly the same as she does at home. That will forever be my signal that she is happy and wants to play the game. I can’t imagine trying to compete with her if I didn’t have that level of arousal and happiness that a simple tug toy can show me. I don’t know if I really know the reasons Pie is better, likely there are many of them. Fear is a strange beast, I don’t profess to totally understand it, but I am certainly more familiar with it’s inner workings now and have better tools to use to help my students. While our road to this place seemed frightening and long, now that it is mostly behind us (HOPING!) it seems to have passed rather quickly!
Photos of Pie as a puppy by Lali Miramon
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Thank you for telling us about Pie. I have a puppy that has natural talent but her fears will freeze her up and her learning stops. I too am working with a Veterianary behavioralist and through my own trial and errors have a very similar Do and Don’t list to Pie’s.
You give me hope that it can be done my way!
I’m so glad to hear of the progress that Pie has made! Thanks for sharing all the details to help others. Love the “Life of Pi” quote above.
thanks Anne, I think you are referring to the quote from the book Life of Pi? That is some thoughtful writing and a quote I need to read over and over again:)
Whew! Glad you and Pie are making progress. Lucky dog to have found you to live with. Just wondering if you ever tried Bach Flower Essences or a Thundershirt.
I have not tried essences or a thunder shirt. I am a skeptic at heart:)
If she had not started to improve I was ready to go for big time drugs since I have observed improvement in dogs that have been on meds for a period of time.
Two dogs not related with not wanting to be in the car and afraid of cars coming? Could this have anything to do with you or Jim’s driving? Just sayin’…..
Pie loves to ride in the car with her Mommie, Scoop…not so much. Sorry, you can’t connect the dots there Jodi:)
You give me hope 🙂 Thank you!!
Dont give up hope!! My fingers are crossed for you.
You may not remember me, I took classes with you. I had springers. This blog about Pie is heartwarming. I just had to give up on a puppy. She was a field spaniel who had OCD. Pat White and I worked with her for 8 months and we just couldn’t stop her behaviors. I had to be with her every minute of the day. She needed to be walked, or trained, or played tug. If not occupied she would become extremely destructive. I tried everything. I’m happy you found a way to get to Pie. I wished I could of found a way to deal with Cody. She had to go back to the breeder.
I meant to say , it’s sooo difficult !
This is excellent , you have the patients of Job !
I have a pet with similar problems , if difficult !
What a remarkable post. Thank you for writing about all the things that worked and that didn’t work. She *is* the bravest girl ever.
Love this, Nancy and thank you for writing this! So happy to hear of your success with a fearful young dog. I am currently training/trialing with one who unfortunately has his issues caused by injuries he incurred while doing agility. 🙁 Very challenging but he wants to please mom and he does have a lot of very happy moments. He’s not a tugger but we are working on that. Nose touch games and tricks have been very instrumental with helping him and building his confidence back. 🙂 Good luck with your future adventures with Pie.
Thanks Liz. I am very lucky that Pie is a tugger and I can use it to distract her. It is also my barometer for her emotional state, if she won’t tug she is not happy.
Really enjoyed reading this and following your efforts to help Pie, Life of Pie, a play on “Life of Pi”?
Hi Steve, Yes, a play on words. I don’t know if there is any relevance to analogy, but the words fit:)
Steve, you piqued my interest in the Life of Pi meaning and I looked around for some comments on the meaning of the story. I found this great quote about fear, from the book Life of Pi. Thanks for inadvertently poking me this direction. NJG
“I must say a word about fear. It is life’s only true opponent. Only fear can defeat life. It is a clever, treacherous adversary, how well I know. It has no decency, respects no law or convention, shows no mercy. It goes for your weakest spot, which it finds with unnerving ease. It begins in your mind, always … so you must fight hard to express it. You must fight hard to shine the light of words upon it. Because if you don’t, if your fear becomes a wordless darkness that you avoid, perhaps even manage to forget, you open yourself to further attacks of fear because you never truly fought the opponent who defeated you.”
― Yann Martel, Life of Pi
This is good stuff Nancy, glad my comment caught your interest.
This blog is particularly meaningful to me (thank you for writing it!) as I have a 2 year old with tremendous potential, ready to trial, fast, driven, agility loving, who shuts down as soon as we leave home. He stays with me but is in slow motion and only wants to return to a familiar environment ie crate or xpen. At home he is confident, funny, full of himself and one of the “leaders” of my crew of Belgian Tervuren boys. Balls are his passion with toys a close second. To my dismay he practically ignores them other than at home where his wild and crazy self is always on display. He came to me at nearly 7 months so we missed the all important early socializing together. Reading Pie’s story encourages me NOT TO GIVE UP but to keep working to unleash the wonderful agility dog I know lies within.
I hope through toy play you can make as much progress as I was able to with Pie. Thoughts: Will your dog play in front of your home? 20 feet from your home, 100 feet from your home? Have you tried a food tug toy?
Thank you for sharing this Nancy. I have a dog that hates being *in* the car, your post will help me think through more creative solutions. Two steps forward, one back, two forward again.
I am happy Pie is on the up and up thanks to your patience and willingness to work through her fear!
Liz, That kind of fear is a huge hassle, my 4 year old BC Scoop has some car issues which I have not 100% resolved. He tolerates riding in cars, but honestly I don’t know that he will ever “like” it. Let me know what good ideas have helped YOU.
Wow, Nancy –
Your persistence and creativity with Pie are amazing. Best wishes for her, and thanks for the list of what worked and what didn’t. You are the ultimate teacher, and I’ve learned so much by reading this. Go, Pie!
I am sobbing my heart out and so happy for Pie that she has you to help her overcome and work through her fears.
Not forcing her through flooding, building your relationship with her and nurturing her to love an exciting activity for sure help her live a happier life.
It is so important and so difficult to catch the circumstance (fear) BEFORE it occurs.
I am certain those who have experienced a fearful dog will recognize in your list of “Didn’t Help” things tried and failed for their dogs.
I love where you and Pie are now and see a wonderful future for you.
I agree with others. Thank you for sharing your journey with Pie.
Nancy thank you for sharing
Thank you, Nancy, for sharing in such detail the process you have gone through. My 2-year-old Bonita has a lot of the same sensitivities, but not as pronounced — thankfully for her, since I am not as good a trainer! But I have reached many of the same conclusions: *against* flooding, *for* cuddling, *for* arousal for work. Unfortunately, stable dog friends don’t seem to help her when there are trucks nearby. But like you, I have seen that as she gets more into the game of agility, she is able to maintain her focus, and happily. Lucky for us that dogs do want to “work!” I look forward to meeting happy Pie someday.
Thanks Shannon, and I hope Bonita’s truck sensitivity gets better too!
You must be thrilled with Pie’s progress and proud of yourself to have helped her be brave. Celebrate big with Pie!
I AM thrilled with Pie, thanks Jodi, I hope you meet her someday. Thought you were coming to visit????
Love, love, love the Pie. Being brave can be hard. Go girly, go.